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Healing Schizophrenia through diet and gut microbiome?

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xenspirit
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My concern is that this could be really dangerous for certain people. Their safety and the safety of those around them... I have a family history of schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder. I have had dear loved ones with these disorders. I do not myself have schizophrenia. I realize over medication is a problem. And some psychiatric treatments seem barbaric to me. But there are also some legitimate reasons for sedation and anti psychosis medications as well as anti anxiety meds.I would caution people not to just go off meds without talking it over with an expert practitioner whether they are holistic or traditional. By expert I mean someone who has first hand experience treating schizophrenia so there is no experimentation factor. In other words, you should be able to know possible dangers before you start and be prepared to handle them.

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Tine
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I agree with @xenspirit The headline makes a very bold and for some ppl maybe even dangerous claim. When treating schizophrenia, there should be a professional involved. One size doesn't fit all. That goes for the new treatments or ideas as it goes with the established ones.
There are so many connections in body and mind, so many unknown or newly discovered factors, mysteries and very personal influences that I think it's important to stay open, curious yet critical. Why not try changing your diet to something healthier, cutting down on meat and then with every step seeing how it affects you. "Healthier diet -> healthier body -> positive effects on the mind" these connections seem more than plausible. Healthy, regular eating, fresh air and exercise are important parts of effective and lasting therapy for depression as well yet I wouldn't call them the cure based on a comment in a youtube video.

Maybe something like: Could the gut bacteria's health influence our mental health?

 

Julius
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Thank you for your input and caution. You are totally right, everyone needs to make their own opinion. This is not medical advice, but just an interesting youtube comment I found... I added a question mark to the title, to make it more of a discussion than a statement ;)

Having said that, I am not a big fan of the whole pharmaceutical industry, they are not in the business of healing people. Personally I encounter more and more cases where medication is actually doing more harm than good and I think they are completely over prescribed in our society. The pharmaceutical industry has some of the strongest lobbies and do not only influence laws, but also determine what is being taught to doctors. People are manipulated through tv-shows and other media into perceiving doctors as uber-smart life savers, where in nearly all cases I encountered they blindly prescribe medication to treat symptoms without even questioning what circumstances lead to their existence in the first place. Many, if not most doctors do not stay up to date with the latest research, but simply follow the industry sponsored journals and therefore deepen their narrow view points and frankly ignorance to a more holistic picture.

Obviously this does not count for all doctors, there are exceptions who dare to question what they have been taught and continue learning and broadening their perspectives. Personally I doubt every recommendation any doctor gives me, do my own research and develop my own opinion.

Part of that bigger picture which is forming for me is that maybe we need very little external medicine. Nature itself has tremendous healing potential. Fasting and/or well chosen foods/diets seem to be capable of healing a lot of mental and physical diseases. Or as Socrates said: “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

 

xenspirit
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Thank you for changing the tone of the comment to debate. I agree that the pharmaceutical corporations have an unfair and more than probably unethical government lobby. And I have seen the people in the old folks home medicated into a stupor so I am on the same page there.

I remember the other side of that with the pschizophrenic illness in particular where there was so little medication and info and people were just put away for life or they became homeless at alarming rates when unmedicated when that practice of long term mental health hospitalization became obsolete and instead people were encouraged to live independently. 

 And most certainly my Generalized Anxiety Disorder and panic attacks might be treated as ”hysteria” or a product of those with female chromosomes in another age. I am grateful for a more enlightened amount of info about mental health. And at least I am grateful for medication. I remember when I was very resistant to using them with an attitude much like the man in the comment. And I think if you've never lived through a psychosis or bouts of irrational fear when you are sure your most nightmarish imagined possibilities are absolutely true that a person might insist that no person with paranoia should be medicated because it is not natural. But I remember being homeless. I remember being alone with my anxiety.  I don't wish that on anyone and I absolutely believe that there is a reason for doctors, therapists and medication.

I guess I don't want to go back to the hell which I would call my particular version of a nightmare when my attitude was just like this gentlemen's that I could cure my anxiety if I found the right combo of diet and natural products. Some wisdom came with years of therapy. I learned some skills. I still have the same issues, though. And if either the healthcare system or the social system failed me due to the political currents, I think I could possibly end up being maybe if not in the same boat at least in a untenable position where life could be nearly impossible for me. For that reason I become really nervous when I hear people talking like the gentleman above that he doesn't trust traditional medicine at all. 

Although I practice a form of energy medicine and I appreciate that traditional medicine is imperfect and does not always have the best answers, I also have been the happy patient of some procedures that have saved my life on multiple occasions. My most recent save was after my reiki practitioner detected that there was something vibrationally wrong in my chest area my doctor listened and had me tested and they found an aortic aneurysm. Which goes to prove the reiki principle to not rely on reiki alone for a persons medical issues. After a very long surgery and an afterwards lavage procedure to remove blood clots, I am still around to tell the tale. I am very thankful. Having a brush like that with mortality and then the resulting brain fog and also loss of use of my vocal chords (temporarily), I feel fortunate for what life I have and for the vocation of traditional medicine as well as grateful to the intuition and reiki insight of my reiki practitioner. 

I guess I am a person who would advocate for both types of medicine. I am very leary of those folks who say they have absolutely no use for doctors. I happen to live near Harvard and I have met and been treated by some of the brilliant folks who teach there. I kind of feel like those who want to rely solely on their own advice have that right, but I think it pays to be open to both views.

 

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